Re: Discuss-gnustep Digest, Vol 12, Issue 37

[Calvin Mitchell]

Hi Everyone!

I'm a newbie, but I fell in love with
NeXTstep/Openstep a long time ago.

Regarding "Killer Apps"

Coming from a Windoze environment i KNOW what GNUstep
needs:

1) a WEB SITE DEVELOPMENT tool that rivals Dreamweaver
2) a music writing/editing/sequencing/notation suite
of apps that rivals Igor Engraver/Finale/SONAR
3) a ChessBase database-compatible app that will at
least import ChessBase files
4) a knock 'em dead WEB BROWSER (this should've been
done a LONG TIME AGO--how in the !@#$ is GNUstep going
to survive without a NATIVE WEB BROWSER????)
5) A FLASH/FLASH-compatible DEVELOPMENT
ENVIRONMENT!!!!!
6) an OFFICE PRODUCTIVITY SUITE that takes advantage
of Objective-C's AWESOME POWER!!!
7) A GAMING API to rival DIRECT-X

...just to name a few.

if we can come up with apps/libs in these seven areas,
GNUstep will prosper long after the HURD has replaced
the bloated Linux kernel.

along with all of the myriad other things i'm doing...

http://www.geocities.com/calvin674/

i'm boning up on ObjC & Java with the hope of
porting/building Igor Engraver (written in LISP) to
GNUstep...because WE ALL KNOW that GNUstep is the best
damn thing out there!

(cheers and howls)

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>    1. Re: [OT] GentooLinux GNUstep Developer (Ian
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>    2. Re: [OT] GentooLinux GNUstep Developer (M.
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>    3. Re: [OT] GentooLinux GNUstep Developer (Jason
> Clouse)
>    4. Re: [OT] GentooLinux GNUstep Developer (PUYDT
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>    5. Re: ImageApps - image tools for GNUstep (Tima
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>    7. Re: ImageApps - image tools for GNUstep
> (stefan@wms-network.de)
>    8. Re: GDB 6.0 released (Frederic Stark)
>    9. Re: [OT] GentooLinux GNUstep Developer (MJ
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>   11. Re: [OT] GentooLinux GNUstep Developer (Chad
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 04:51:48 +0100
> From: Ian Jones <ian@digital-bushido.org>
> Subject: Re: [OT] GentooLinux GNUstep Developer
> To: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
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> On 2003-11-27 03:21:27 +0000 M. Grabert
> <xam@cs.ucc.ie> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, Chris B. Vetter wrote:
> [ snip ]
> > 
> >> While this isn't entirely true, he/they are
> right. GNUstep needs to 
> >> be
> >> easier (for a user John Doe) to install. It's
> easy enough for a
> >> developer and/or someone who essentially know
> what he's doing. While 
> >> you
> >> CAN argue that John Doe isn't the target, I
> disagree -- because the
> >> majority doesn't know, doesn't want to know and
> doesn't care enough 
> >> how
> >> and why. All they care about is "does it install
> in one go? if not, 
> >> I'll
> >> ditch it".
> > 
> > What is wrong with compile-all ?
> 
> LOL, have you tried it and or looked at it? It's
> crap, doesn't bail 
> out when crucial things aren't present etc etc. I
> wrote a sligtly 
> improved replacement but noone seems interested
> enough to look at it. 
> So it seems like it was a big waste of my time.
> 
> [ snip ]
> > 
> 
> Ian (Ian_J on #gnustep)
> 
> IF someone would like to look at the script that I
> wrote it is here 
> along with the beginnings of an installer which
> works for me (TM):
>
http://www.digital-bushido.org/opensource/files/GSInstaller.tgz
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 04:41:09 +0000 (GMT)
> From: "M. Grabert" <xam@cs.ucc.ie>
> Subject: Re: [OT] GentooLinux GNUstep Developer
> To: Ian Jones <ian@digital-bushido.org>
> Cc: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
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> 
> On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Ian Jones wrote:
> 
> > > What is wrong with compile-all ?
> >
> > LOL, have you tried it and or looked at it? It's
> crap, doesn't bail
> > out when crucial things aren't present etc etc. I
> wrote a sligtly
> > improved replacement but noone seems interested
> enough to look at it.
> > So it seems like it was a big waste of my time.
> 
> Oh, pardon me. Did I forgot the <irony> tag?  ;-P
> 
> Seriously, I don't consider this as a real problem.
> 
> When I first installed KDE version 1 (and the same
> applies to the
> first GNOME release) it was much more hassle that
> GNUstep will ever be.
> And things have gotten worse since then (for
> compiling/installing KDE/GNOME).
> 
> The problem is than GNUstep is no replacement for
> KDE/GNOME, since it
> lacks applications, or at least one killer app
> (don't ask me what kind
> of application that could be).
> 
> The installation process is the last thing I worry
> about ...
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 23:44:45 -0500
> From: Jason Clouse <jhclouse@charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [OT] GentooLinux GNUstep Developer
> To: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
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> On 2003-11-26 18:35:21 -0800 Chris B. Vetter
> <chrisv@web4inc.com> 
> wrote:
> > While this isn't entirely true, he/they are right.
> GNUstep needs to be
> > easier (for a user John Doe) to install. It's easy
> enough for a
> > developer and/or someone who essentially know what
> he's doing. While 
> > you
> > CAN argue that John Doe isn't the target, I
> disagree -- because the
> > majority doesn't know, doesn't want to know and
> doesn't care enough 
> > how
> > and why. All they care about is "does it install
> in one go? if not, 
> > I'll
> > ditch it".
> 
> Exactly.  That's why all distributions need
> up-to-date, 
> completely-thought-out, easy-to-install packages in
> the native 
> packaging format.
> 
> > On the other hand, no one will give a sh*t,
> whether GNUstep eventually
> > installs smoothly on Debian, Gentoo or
> FlavourDistributionOfTheWeek if
> > there's nothing, no Tool, no Application, no nifty
> Thing that draws
> > attention.
> 
> Yep.  So I guess we shouldn't bother making
> packages, since no one is 
> 
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