Re: First Impressions of GNUStep

[Banlu Kemiyatorn]

Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> Banlu Kemiyatorn writes:
>
> > > Once  again,  I  think   that  behavior  (or  architecture)  of  other
> > > environments should not be confused with that of NeXTSTEP/GNUstep, and
> > > I see no reason for GNUstep to be architectured like KDE or GNOME.  If
> > > what you want is the look of  NeXTSTEP in KDE, it seems to me that you
> > > have it already with WMaker.
> >
> > I don't care much about the look. I just want a fair state, that at this
> > fair state, GNUstep applications should work properly on other
> > environments. And has a plus (hiding,docking,etc) when they operate on 
> > the GNUstep environment. The menu on sloppy focus thingy is another issue.
>
>
> Oh!   This   is  another   kind  of  problem.    To  have   a  GNUstep
> implementation  over GNOME or  over KDE  like we  would have  one over
> MS-Windows.   I guess it could be resolved with a new backend.
>
> (And  here you  see the  advantage of  managing the  app icons  in the
> NSApplication class  rather than in  an external program:  the backend
> can map  them to the native  paradigm (whatever they have  in GNOME or
> KDE)).

I don't see this advantage clearly. Since it should be possible for a
seperate Dock.app as well to manage appicon exactly the way 
NSApplication did, shouldn't it? And it is possible to make 3 versions
of Dock.app (or one with 3 bundles), one for running in GNOME (which 
would display dock app right in GNOME panel by wrapping some GNOME 
applet code), another for KDE in the same sense and another one for 
running in GNUstep)

Only the menu that should be a problem since it isn't so possible to 
make it a seperate App? Thus, it should have some benefits to do that,
for instant, it allows custom menu so they can replace it with something 
that look exactly like OSX's global menu for example. The problem is 
what should happen to the right-click menu, if it is acceptable to have 
the next-style menu pop-up or not.

> But I'm  under the  impression that it's  quite possible to  run GNOME
> without  any app  icon  panel or  whatever  they have.   Since it's  a
> separate program, I'm quite sure I have occasionally run GNOME without
> this program being able to run.   In addition, when I run KDE or GNOME
> programs with WMaker, I don't have that program either.

I think so, thus I don't think any GNOME users will want to remove them 
to make GNUstep apps run better. (Did I miss your point?)

> Another  question would  be whether  a GNUstep  Dock should  create an
> application  icon window  for non-GNUstep  applications.   That's what
> WMaker does, not always very successfully I must say.

That's a serious funny problem. Since so with an external Dock.app 
program GNUstep application will work fine on any system except WMaker,
or may be one can make another bundle for WMaker too.
/me plays Yuko Ohigashi's "Happy days" and I feel like I want to sleep 
now. Hello Alfredo, are you there? ('o')/~