Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

[Philip Balister]

On 12/23/2015 01:43 PM, Richard Bell wrote:
> Yeah I should have clarified that. I tried the full package manager route
> of install about 2 years ago for gnuradio and uhd. It didn't work. I
> installed uhd through apt-get and gnuradio through apt-get with no success.
> 
> I'm just bringing that up so we don't assume that is an easy possibility
> for someone to do. As far as I know from my stab at it two years ago, it's
> not viable. Someone should try that route now to see if it is before we
> assume anything.

Fedora 23 has:

 uhd           x86_64           3.8.2-8.fc23
 gnuradio          x86_64         3.7.8.1-1.fc23

That said, "we" need to do a better job working with the major distro
packagers.

Also, the lack of versioning in most OOT's modules makes them difficult
to package for distro's.

Philip

> 
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Tim O'Shea <address@hidden> wrote:
> 
>> Ubuntu packages uhd
>> Assuming other oses do too
>> I'm sure there are up to date ppas somewhere too
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015, 1:34 PM Richard Bell <address@hidden>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a way for a new user to get uhd installed from the package
>>> manager though? A lot of people want to dive right into gnu radio with
>>> hardware, doing simple things like spectrum analysis. I'm not aware of a
>>> way of getting the uhd + gnuradio setup running that's easier then pybombs.
>>> I very well could be wrong here.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Tim O'Shea <address@hidden>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most new users should be installing gnu radio binaries via their os
>>>> package manager repos or ppa.   Pybombs should be used for 1. Helping get
>>>> up to date oot modules set up and deployed ( like pip ) and 2. Helping
>>>> developers set up their development environment.
>>>> So I'm not sure installer is the right idea to impart on new users at all
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015, 1:23 PM Richard Bell <address@hidden>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to throw in another point from an entry level perspective.
>>>>> Those people who might need pybombs most, are those who need names that
>>>>> tell them what it's for the most. Even if it is incorrect to call pybombs
>>>>> an installer, it would really help the entry level folks (which I would
>>>>> claim without support is the largest population of the community at any
>>>>> given time) understand what it's for and how they should use it. I think 
>>>>> we
>>>>> all have the experience of learning new tools and running into tool names,
>>>>> which even though the description is spot on for what its for, at the time
>>>>> carried zero value for the new guy using it (thinking mostly about Xilinx
>>>>> tool names here).
>>>>>
>>>>> With that said, I think it would be good for the community to use the
>>>>> word installer in the tool that makes gnuradio and uhd really easy to
>>>>> install, and is what the vast majority of people I'm guessing would use it
>>>>> for.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Martin Braun <address@hidden>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23.12.2015 09:28, Stefan Wunsch wrote:
>>>>>>> I don't want to destroy your idea, but GRAB sounds like CRAP as well
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> you can think of the associated sentences ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'grab' is also a very common english verb, so I think people would be
>>>>>> able to distinguish. It also sounds like 'crab' if you like :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> M
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/22/2015 09:31 PM, Richard Bell wrote:
>>>>>>>> GRAB = Gnu RAdio Basic installer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then we can say things like "Go GRAB it" when referring to a needed
>>>>>> module
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Martin Braun <
>>>>>> address@hidden>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There's been some demand to rename PyBOMBS, and now that we're
>>>>>>>>> re-releasing it, this is a good time to think about it. Complaints
>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>> the name include:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - It may or may not be true that people have been detained by TSA
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> working on PyBOMBS at the airport[1]
>>>>>>>>> - The name suggests a Python-related packages (like Pylint,
>>>>>> PyPI...)
>>>>>>>>> rather than a GNU Radio-related tool
>>>>>>>>> - People can't agree on a capitalization
>>>>>>>>> - No one can remember what the acronym stands for
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure, this is not a critical thing, but now's a good chance to
>>>>>> bring it
>>>>>>>>> up and also, this is not a joke :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here's how we're going to do this:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Please suggest new names in this thread.
>>>>>>>>> - I will choose from those names based on 'can I live with this
>>>>>> name',
>>>>>>>>> 100% subjectively.
>>>>>>>>> - New names will be put up for a vote. This will include an option
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> keep the old name.
>>>>>>>>> - Finally, the result of the vote will be used as a strong
>>>>>> suggestion on
>>>>>>>>> what the new name will be.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There already have been some suggestions:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - gromit -- the GNU Radio out-of-tree module installation tool
>>>>>>>>> - the groot
>>>>>>>>> - grpm -- the GNU Radio package manager
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK guys, bring up the ideas!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1] It's not.
>>>>>>>>>
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