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Re: [Chicken-users] Grumpy comments on eggs and an idea.

From: Ivan Raikov
Subject: Re: [Chicken-users] Grumpy comments on eggs and an idea.
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 19:07:21 +0900

Hi guys,

    I must admit that the documentation is a bit obtuse, but I laughed
at Matt's characterization
that the interface is for geniuses :-) I am now creating "turn key"
variants of csv and mbox (which suffers from the same problem as csv),
and updating the documentation,
and should have the new versions released in the next few hours.
Thanks for your feedback and thoughts.

There is absolutely no  problem with creating simplified variants of
csv (and everything else abnf based),
so just let me know if things don't work for you.

I wrote the abnf-based eggs mostly for myself, since at the time
people in the Chicken community were more interested in
bitching about licenses rather than being productive and implementing
basic RFCs and other necessities, but I am
happy to get constructive suggestions and  to improve those eggs accordingly.


On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Moritz Heidkamp
<address@hidden> wrote:
> Hi Matt,
> Matt Welland <address@hidden> writes:
>> After a long day of work and being very much in the mode of "just getting
>> the job done" I ran into the need to parse csv. Cool. I know that there is
>> an egg for that. After installing the csv egg I looked at the documentation
>> and my heart sunk. This was not an egg written for mortals but for scheme
>> Gods, something I am not now nor ever will be. I thought that perhaps the
>> Chicken 3 egg (which I knew to be usable by mere mortals) would compile
>> under chicken 4.X and went to dig for the code but on the way I happened
>> across the eggs page, odd, what is csv-xml? It sounded complicated but
>> proved to be the old, easy to use code! Add "(use csv-xml) and a single line
>> of code (csv->list ...) and I was done.
> I found myself in exactly the same situation recently. Unfortunately,
> csv-xml was not yet available back then so I went with Ruby as I was in
> "just getting the job done" mode, as well. Ivan, maybe you could change
> the egg documentation to be a bit more elaborate, e.g. explain the
> example a bit? Or how about adding some pre-made convenience parser
> fuctions that can be parameterized by passing arguments? Alternatively
> we could just add a link to csv-xml saying something like "if you don't
> have any special parsing needs see the csv-xml egg".
>> This gave me an idea for an enhancement to the eggs page. How about adding
>> tags to eggs and a mechanism to filter on the tags at the top of the page?
>> I'm not suggesting that this is a high priority but maybe something that
>> could be added the next time those pages are refactored.
>> Some useful tags might be: application, alpha, beta, production, advanced,
>> for-geniuses-only
> I think there is a tag mechanism in the wiki already, not sure how or if
> it's used though.
>> Oh, and thank you to both the csv and csv-xml egg authors. Even though I
>> can't easily figure out how to use the csv egg I'm certain it is very
>> elegant and powerful and although the name threw me off I very much
>> appreciate the continued availability and simplicity of the csv-xml
>> egg.
> I concur, thanks for the great code guys!
> Moritz
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