Re: Problem in documentation: number of plurals

[Bruno Haible]

Arpad Biro wrote:
> A quick example:
> 
> "1   apple "   is   "1   alma"   in Hungarian, and
> "123 apples"   is   "123 alma"
> 
> So far so good, but when there's no numeral:
> 
> "the apple "   is   "az alma "   in Hungarian, but
> "the apples"   is   "az alm�"
> 
> In the latter case we have 2 plural forms.

Thanks for the clear explanation.

Gabor Kelemen wrote:
> I second that all.

Thanks for confirming. Not knowing more than two words of Hungarian,
I have to rely on a sort of "majority opinion" of yours.

> Furthermore, the gettext-tools/src/plural-table.c file, which also 
> contains this information, needs to be patched (see attachment), so that 
> msginit will return correct information.

Yes. I'm applying the attached patch.

Bruno

diff -r -c3 --exclude='*.po*' --exclude='*.info*' --exclude='*_*.html' 
--exclude='*.*.html' --exclude='*.[13]' --exclude='*.1.in' 
--exclude=Makefile.in --exclude=aclocal.m4 --exclude=configure 
--exclude=version.texi --exclude=stamp-vti --exclude='po-*-gen*.[ch]' 
--exclude='*.o' --exclude='*.lo' --exclude='*.gmo' --exclude=ABOUT-NLS 
--exclude=gnulib-lib --exclude=gnulib-m4 --exclude='javadoc[12]' --exclude=CVS 
gettext-cvs/gettext-tools/doc/gettext.texi 
gettext-6/gettext-tools/doc/gettext.texi
*** gettext-cvs/gettext-tools/doc/gettext.texi  Thu Aug 17 03:21:29 2006
--- gettext-6/gettext-tools/doc/gettext.texi    Thu Aug 17 03:35:02 2006
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*** 5284,5291 ****
  Languages with this property include:
  
  @table @asis
- @item Finno-Ugric family
- Hungarian
  @item Asian family
  Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese
  @item Turkic/Altaic family
--- 5284,5289 ----
***************
*** 5321,5326 ****
--- 5319,5339 ----
  Esperanto
  @end table
  
+ @noindent
+ Another language using the same header entry is:
+ 
+ @table @asis
+ @item Finno-Ugric family
+ Hungarian
+ @end table
+ 
+ Hungarian does not appear to have a plural if you look at sentences involving
+ ordinal numbers.  For example, ``1 apple'' is ``1 alma'', and ``123 apples'' 
is
+ ``123 apples''.  But when the number is not explicit, the distinction between
+ singular and plural exists: ``the apple'' is ``az alma'', and ``the apples'' 
is
+ ``az alm@'{a}k''.  Since @code{ngettext} has to support both types of 
sentences,
+ it is classified here, under ``two forms''.
+ 
  @item Two forms, singular used for zero and one
  Exceptional case in the language family.  The header entry would be:
  
diff -r -c3 --exclude='*.po*' --exclude='*.info*' --exclude='*_*.html' 
--exclude='*.*.html' --exclude='*.[13]' --exclude='*.1.in' 
--exclude=Makefile.in --exclude=aclocal.m4 --exclude=configure 
--exclude=version.texi --exclude=stamp-vti --exclude='po-*-gen*.[ch]' 
--exclude='*.o' --exclude='*.lo' --exclude='*.gmo' --exclude=ABOUT-NLS 
--exclude=gnulib-lib --exclude=gnulib-m4 --exclude='javadoc[12]' --exclude=CVS 
gettext-cvs/gettext-tools/src/plural-table.c 
gettext-6/gettext-tools/src/plural-table.c
*** gettext-cvs/gettext-tools/src/plural-table.c        Fri Aug 26 22:32:38 2005
--- gettext-6/gettext-tools/src/plural-table.c  Thu Aug 17 03:36:27 2006
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*** 1,5 ****
  /* Table of known plural form expressions.
!    Copyright (C) 2001-2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
     Written by Bruno Haible <address@hidden>, 2002.
  
     This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
--- 1,5 ----
  /* Table of known plural form expressions.
!    Copyright (C) 2001-2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
     Written by Bruno Haible <address@hidden>, 2002.
  
     This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
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*** 26,32 ****
  /* Formulas taken from the documentation, node "Plural forms".  */
  struct plural_table_entry plural_table[] =
    {
-     { "hu", "Hungarian",         "nplurals=1; plural=0;" },
      { "ja", "Japanese",          "nplurals=1; plural=0;" },
      { "ko", "Korean",            "nplurals=1; plural=0;" },
      { "vi", "Vietnamese",        "nplurals=1; plural=0;" },
--- 26,31 ----
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*** 48,53 ****
--- 47,53 ----
      { "pt", "Portuguese",        "nplurals=2; plural=(n != 1);" },
      { "es", "Spanish",           "nplurals=2; plural=(n != 1);" },
      { "eo", "Esperanto",         "nplurals=2; plural=(n != 1);" },
+     { "hu", "Hungarian",         "nplurals=2; plural=(n != 1);" },
      { "fr", "French",            "nplurals=2; plural=(n > 1);" },
      { "pt_BR", "Brazilian",      "nplurals=2; plural=(n > 1);" },
      { "lv", "Latvian",           "nplurals=3; plural=(n%10==1 && n%100!=11 ? 
0 : n != 0 ? 1 : 2);" },
diff -r -c3 --exclude='*.po*' --exclude='*.info*' --exclude='*_*.html' 
--exclude='*.*.html' --exclude='*.[13]' --exclude='*.1.in' 
--exclude=Makefile.in --exclude=aclocal.m4 --exclude=configure 
--exclude=version.texi --exclude=stamp-vti --exclude='po-*-gen*.[ch]' 
--exclude='*.o' --exclude='*.lo' --exclude='*.gmo' --exclude=ABOUT-NLS 
--exclude=gnulib-lib --exclude=gnulib-m4 --exclude='javadoc[12]' --exclude=CVS 
gettext-cvs/gettext-tools/tests/plural-2 gettext-6/gettext-tools/tests/plural-2
*** gettext-cvs/gettext-tools/tests/plural-2    Fri Aug 26 22:43:16 2005
--- gettext-6/gettext-tools/tests/plural-2      Thu Aug 17 03:37:20 2006
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*** 10,16 ****
  
  tmpfiles="$tmpfiles plural-2.data"
  cat <<EOF > plural-2.data
! hu
  0
  
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
  de
--- 10,16 ----
  
  tmpfiles="$tmpfiles plural-2.data"
  cat <<EOF > plural-2.data
! ja
  0
  
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
  de